SPEAKER_01 0:00

Paul would make a marvelous addition to our staff with his with his background. He's also a very good speaker, I think. And uh we're I'm real pleased to have Paul with us. He's also, by the way, just a hell of a nice guy, by the way. And his wife, Ruth, and um his background engineering similar to to mine. He worked for the power company, of course, which is not real engineering like I did, but it's pretty realize this by you. But so so I think we lucked on the Paul. We're very, very pleased with him. Paul is uh very, very into uh helping you, teaching people and so forth. He's not quite as hard on you as uh Ed is, you know. Uh Ed, when you when you deal with Ed, you you're gonna deal with a guy that's got no patience for mistakes what whatsoever. You know, Paul will just tend you to tell you that you made a mistake where Ed may get physical with you. But you know, and but I think we got the West Coast pretty well covered with these guys. I I think that we make pretty good, the three of us make pretty good examples for you to follow to for your own game to emerge and your own style of play to emerge. But that's really overall the trick of it. If you think about what Ed is doing, and you think about what Paul is doing, and you think about what I am doing, you might go all the way back to maybe uh page about three in your manual where I said it's not the games that you win that count. It's the games that you lose that count. It's how you play the games that you lose that makes you a winner. Anybody can win an easy game. Anyone can win when they're getting 20 every hand. You don't have to know anything when you're getting 20 every hand. You're getting 20 every hand. You don't even make any decisions up to how much to bet, you know? What you gotta know is when to leave that table. If you can learn, more people make mistakes by not leaving the table than by staying at tables too long, or or that than by staying in good games too long, or too short. They make the mistake of not leaving a bad game. Paul's got it down to his set of rules that that he lives by and and he likes in the first base system, he doesn't like to lose three large hands in a row. And I think that that's a real good criterion, especially for uh Las Vegas blackjack. Las Vegas Blackjack. I don't think in Atlantic City probably we could afford to do that, because Atlantic City, if it did they probably just wouldn't play any cards at all. But in Vegas, it's a better game. And in Vegas, that's a good, a real good criterion. Um I've been asked to talk about, just to change the subject a little bit, I've been asked to talk about team play, and we we got some time left. I thought we might get into team play for a couple of reasons. First, let me make sure that everyone in the room understands that we have this deal that we do for team play and for group practice, where anyone that uh calls Bev at my office will give you the names of all the other NBJ players in your zip code. We've got a little program at a computer where we can pull them all out by zip code and we can give you the names of all the other players. Now, for players that by the way don't want to get those kinds of phone calls, you know, because you know, maybe your husband doesn't know that you're a closet blackjack player or whatever, you know. Just let us know, let us know, you know, and and we'll take you off of that program. Uh what we we've been using this program all over the United States, and we've got groups together all the time. We have uh a permanent group, by the way, now up in uh Minnesota where uh 90 people show up to this to this particular uh meeting that we have every two weeks up there. We have enough players in this area where we could do the same kind of program down here. There's a lot of benefit to it, you know. There it there isn't any one person anywhere knows everything there is to know about blackjack, but collectively, we probably know everything there is to know about blackjack, and when you get together with a bunch of people in a room, they're gonna see some things that you didn't see, and you're gonna see some things that they didn't see. You're gonna be able to help each other and give yourself a little more solid foundation. And so I think it's a real good program. But the other thing that can come out of that program is team play. Now, our first real venture, if I could even call it a real venture, into team play, into any kind of organized team play, with the with the exception of a few teams that we have running in in uh here and also in AC and also up in uh Minnesota, was our trip to the Bahamas last year, last January. And I'd like to share with you, I don't share this with too many people, only to our seminar people how we did this because it's a little bit different than just everybody sitting down at the table and playing NBJ. In fact, that's not the way we did it. And let's just talk about that for a second. What happens when five NBJ players sit down at the same table together? Well, some good things happen and some bad things happen. Remember that an NBJ player is always trying to break the person that's sitting right after them. It might be you, you know. And so, you know, there's there's a little bit of negative. Whenever we play several MBJ players in the same game, we like to spread out. We like to get some idiots between us that we can that we can break, you know, because that's what's going to happen. You're going to break the person after you, regardless of whether they're the dealer or who they are when you play NBJ. And that's one of the problems with team play in MBJ that we have to be cognizant of. However, even when you do have five NBJ players sitting at a table playing NBJ, that doesn't mean you're going to sit there breaking each other and and you're going to lose. Because what happens is the dealer break rate goes up. Dealer biases tend to disappear. Dealer first card tens tend to disappear. The whole game tends to get very, very legitimate. Doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to win, but at least you're not going to be fighting these real strange dealer biases that have cropped up in the game that that I don't think anybody fully understands, including me. You're not going to be fighting that kind of thing very often. They those kinds of things disappear. And the dealer-break ratio tends to go right back to its legitimate mathematical 28%. So you've got those things going for you. And we did that for quite a while. We had our team up in uh up in Atlantic City. Uh there was, let's see, there was myself and and Keith Smith and Suzanne and a couple of other people, Marty and a couple of others. And we got together, we did this, and we were quite successful at doing this. But when we got to thinking about it, when you have players playing together, there's more that you can do for each other. And that's what I began studying before we made the trip to the Bahamas. And I'll tell you that when, and all that, there's some people here that went on that trip, and I'm going to tell you that we didn't have this idea fully baked when we went to the Bahamas. We were still experimenting with it as we went to the Bahamas. But, and now I think we've got it even a little bit better than we had when we went to the Bahamas. But it was an idea that worked very, very well. Let me just caution you about one thing before we get into the exactly how we did the team play. Team play is collusion. And in the Bahamas, collusion is considered cheating. One of the teams that went there and beat them, the casino, confiscated their chips. All of their chips, their play money, everything. And, you know, put put this team strictly out of business. And, you know, I I that so frightened me because we were so wide open, even though we had these meetings every day and we talked about not talking across the table and everything. Everybody, especially the new players, but everybody tends to lose it in the heat of the game. You know, you forget all of that stuff and you do talk across the table. It's almost impossible to avoid. And I'm not real sure after that happened to that one team in the Bahamas, if I would want to attempt that again with beginning players. I think that the next time I do that, I want to do it with well-seasoned players because there is a an element of danger to it. You do win the the reason I picked the Bahamas for the team play in the first place is Bahamas is reputedly the worst game in the world, the toughest game in the world, and I had some personal reasons that I wanted to put the screws to these people. So we did it with with 30 people, and it turned out quite well. We won, I think it was uh two-thirds of the games that we played, which by Bahamas standards is very, very good. In fact, it's unheard of. Now they realized almost immediately, many, many teams have played the Bahamas, and they realized, I figured that it would take them two days to figure out what was up. They knew what was up before we finished the first shoe. They knew that we were playing as a team. And of course we did a few things that uh really tipped our hand, you know, like when the third base player stood on nine and then hit 19, you know, they said, Well, these guys are different, you know. And then when we'd all run out to this little room and diddy up all the money afterwards and found out that that they were watching us all the time. Well, by the second night they would they refuse to pick us up at the hotel or bring us back to the hotel anymore. Well, see, there's two casinos there, so I figured the first night we'd go to one. And by about the time they got used to us, the next night we'd go to the other one, take them by surprise, and then by then the first casino would have forgot about us, so we could go back there, you know. So that was the plan. Didn't quite work out that way. But that was that was the plan. Here's the way that we did it. Here's a uh I better not write in there. They might not like that. Here's a blackjack table. Let me pull this out. And by the way, the way we started out doing it, and the way we ended up, there was things that we realized as we got into it. We played in five-man teams. Here's the big player, we put him right here. We pulled our money, we all put in $300, and I think the big player ended up with $1,100, and everybody else ended up with $100. Wasn't there yet? There is the big player playing right in the middle. This guy right in front of him, because we realized that if this guy played in BJ, he's gonna goof this guy up. So we called him the setup player. And the setup player's job, he wants to be your second brightest player there, your second most experienced player there, because his job is to watch his cards figure out what he needs. What does he need? Is he doubling down? Is he getting 11? He wants to double down. I gotta feed him tens. So this guy is going to tend to stand in a case like that if tens are running, and he's going to hit like crazy if low cards are running. He's trying to hit through to the tens to feed this guy tens. But ordinarily, this guy is either Pat, okay, or he needs low cards. He's not Pat, obviously. He needs, he generally needs low cards. But he watches, what does this guy need? That's what I want to feed him. So if he needs highs and lows are running, this guy tries to eat up the lows and get through to the highs. And I might even he might even do things like hit 17. And he might even do things like stand on 12 against the 10, things of that nature. We tried not to be too obvious, but I don't really think that it helped us. You might as well go for it all the way because they're gonna know that something's up. Alright, this guy is a first base player, and he simply plays first base. The biggest mistake that we made, oh, and by the way, everybody plays for nickels, okay, flatbats for nickels, except the big player. That's the way we started out. The first thing that we noticed, well not the first thing that we noticed, but we noticed that after the first ninth play, first night of play, is the first base player never lost. The first base player, in some instances, even though he's playing for nickels, won more money than the big player who was playing for quarters. And you're gonna see why in a minute. This guy here is going to play, he's going to tend to play dealer strategy. And this guy is, you can, these guys are are are pretty much both doing the same thing as he's got some smart players. You know, it depends. In the Bahamas, he had a lot of players that they were just playing, you know, like for their first time. These guys, their job is to break the dealers. That's their sole reason for going to the Bahamas. Break the dealer. So what they're how do you do that? There's only one way to do it. Feed the dealer tens. So what they would do, what they would do is when low cards are running, they're going to hit like crazy. They're even going to split. They even might even split tens if low cards are running, because their job is to eat up all the low cards and feed the dealer tens. Because, here's the way to look at it. The dealer is either pat and there's nothing you can do about it, or he's stiff. If he's stiff, you're going to break him if you feed him tens. So that's what we were trying to do with these guys. What we didn't realize, what we didn't realize, is that whenever the dealer was pat, we were feeding these tens to the first base player. The first base system is a 10-sensitive system. It wants tens, it loves tens. So this guy's sitting here, you know, I'm sitting here, how much did you win? Well, I won 125. It's funny, I won 300 playing nickels over here. Well, it's because we're seeding them all these tens, see. So he said, geez, you know, maybe we oughta have you play for more money. You know, so now we make this guy a big player, and this guy a big player. Then we leave the other positions up to their their own judgment. Very, very frequently, one or two or even all of the other positions will start winning. We say, well, the D they only got $100. They haven't got enough money to bet if they start winning. Yes, they do, because they're winning. They're betting the casino's money. Okay? So this position also virtually never lost. It was amazing. He's he's playing very close to dealer strategy, really. It was very uh obvious that this guy was solemn losing. But sometimes he was. So what we said to this guy, look, here's what you gotta do. If you're just if you're winning, you gotta increase your bet. If you're winning, we don't want you flat betting nickels. If you're winning, you gotta increase your bet. So everybody, we left it up to them what they were gonna do. You couldn't discuss these things in the game, you know. And also, by the way, you don't want to get into the game and and not and not talk, you know, not talk to each other at all. You won't, you know, you want to carry on a normal conversation. Well, we tended to do is we'd have these guys sit down first, and then we'd have, they'd like they came together, you know. They were a group of they came together, and then we had this guy come down and sit in the middle and look very disdainfully at these nickel players, you know, and they were making these really strange plays and so forth. And that that they worked for about three hands, and then they caught on, they caught on very quickly. So after a while we noticed that they weren't shuffling the cards. They they were not shuffling the cards. They take the cards and they take, they take the they take the pick in each hand, and and the cards never even touch each other when they did the riffle, and they just pull one on top of the other. So they're not shuffling the cards. So I call a pit boss over and I says, Look at your dealer's not shuffling the cards. And he says, Well, you guys are cheating. So I said, All right, I can check it. What am I gonna say? But this is a type of this this system works works very, very well. And I think, you know, if if you have a casino that actually shuffles the cards, it'll work it'll work even better. It's a it's it's a it's a very it's a very and I don't even think by you would know, I I don't think by Vegas law it would even be cheating, would it, Fred? What do you think? No, no, to to we know that this would not be cheating, but it could still be found on goal. One of the advantages that you would have doing this that we didn't have in the Bahamas is we never got the opportunity to sit down and practice this first with each other, because we're all coming from different parts of the United States. We divvied up our teams when we got there and we and we just went out and played. So the first time we tried this was was under the gun for money. And it tended to work right off the bat, even before we figured out that this guy needed to be a big player too. Now that's a huge improvement. I think had we known that we would have won a lot more than two thirds of the game. I think we would have won close to a hundred percent of the games that we played. Here's what you'll see. The dealer will start breaking. We had dealers breaking in some cases up to about 50% of the hands. You'll also see dealers that get really shook up because they're not used to this whatsoever. All dealer biases will vanish. Forget about the dealer being on. Oh, now all of a sudden the dealer's getting the kind of hands that you're used to. A lot of 16s, 15s, all crap like that. The tens tend to be falling over here. It's like all of a sudden a fair game, all of a sudden. It's just a whole new, a whole new world. And it and it becomes quite evident as the game goes on. It's not complicated. It becomes quite evident what you need to do after you've done this a few times. Yes.

unknown 22:58

What if you had a sixth player who was not involved?

SPEAKER_01 23:02

One thing that we found, and and that's a that's a uh an excellent question for Atlantic City player because Atlantic City wouldn't be able to do this, people would sit down. We did have that happen. We had a guy that got in somehow when we weren't looking, he got in at third base, you know. And we tried our little trick where that we would do when somebody sits down, we would all pull our bets back and he'd play the dealer head to head. And they would leave, but this guy kept winning, playing head-to-head. Doing leaves. And and then so we all started playing again, and of course he's over there and he's winning like crazy. And because the dealer's breaking all the time, so we couldn't get rid of this guy, so he's trying to like catch on to the system, you know. Of course, he couldn't quite grasp it all. So for a while, you know, he thought the whole thing was hit 20 and stand that nine. You know, he's making all these weird plays, you know. But the dealer would the dealer would break, you know, so he so once we we had that, I mean, he was going to follow us home, this guy who couldn't eventually hit when he played his next two. It's I'll tell you this, it's a lot of laughs, as you can tell. It's I mean, we would go up to Divvy up the money, and and you know, we had some people that would had never played before. We had this one guy who was playing this position right here, and he lost $90 out of his $100. He only had $10 left. And this was in the first game. He lost us $90, see? So we all get together and we to split up the money. And so the first thing we did is whoever lost, we reimburse them their their money that they lost, and whatever was left over was the winnings, and we just take that winnings and split it five ways. We didn't understand this, so we said, Well, how much did you lose? He said, $90. So we gave him his $90 back. He said, You mean I get this back? I love this. So it was good. Then he got money to boot because we did we did quite well at this. And we started right out winning. Some other things that went with it as we started to get a little bit more knowledgeable and sophisticated is that we we found that this will clump up the cards tremendously. It'll super clump the cards. So your playtime is limited when you do this. Sometimes you can the longest we got away with was two hours. But usually it averaged about an hour. We could get away with this for about an hour. We found that our criterion, once we got the game, and by the way, it isn't a situation like you got to get the cards in into condition or anything like that. You start winning right from the very beginning, right when it starts. We found that the end of the end of the game signal for us, as soon as the dealer went six hands without breaking, as soon as he went six hands without breaking, we were out of there. Now think about that. You'd be out of every game in Las Vegas under those conditions, but when you play this way, you can do it that way. As soon as the dealer went six hands without breaking, the cards were overclumped, and we were out of there. We learned that the hard way. Because you'll be going along, you'll be going along, you'll be going along, and all of a sudden you just hit a shoe where the dealer doesn't break at all, and you're used to them breaking, so everybody's standing on and stuff, and and you get killed. So that's that's how we did it. As soon as the dealer won six hands without breaking at all, that was it. We left. And you know, at first, at first we would have the players like leave one at a time, you know. After the first game, they knew that who we were, so we just all get up and leave together. We might as well have worn NBJ uniforms. Yes. What if I was gonna play this in Atlantic City, I would just have these two guys, by the way, play two hands. Okay, to fill up the table so nobody else can sit down. One of the beauties of this is you are not penalized by having seven players. The cards are gonna clump up very quickly no matter what you do, okay? But seven, when you're playing this way, seven players will not put the dealer on a dealer bias. It it in fact it'll probably probably more players the better. The more players the better. So that's that's that's the only difference. And what you got then is simply two setup players, okay, and two setup players are about twice as effective as one setup player, okay? And you got three set players. That's all they're trying to do is set the dealer. Yeah, some sometimes it it's the same tens, just go right right around and back and back to the dealer, though the way this thing worked out. You gotta find two of your friends and have them buy manuals and we'll train them.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Could you make that work by two people playing two hands?

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Yes, yes, you can. Partners can do this. And you can even have two partners play three hands each. You can even even go that far. Most casinos allow not all casinos, but most casinos will allow you uh to do that. In fact, I saw two guys doing that here in Vegas yesterday. Two guys playing six hands. Uh so I don't think you'll have any trying to have the low desk.

unknown 28:44

You say that many multiple hands in the desk, you must have a quarter free second.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Only because in some of the casinos here they make you bet the same amount. Double double the double the minimum. Yeah, so and so you're nicked. Yeah, so you're in a nickel game, you're in a nickel game and these guys are betting dimes then instead of nickels. It's a quarter-free tank, but still just a dime instead of nickels. Okay, but this guy's betting black.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Not what he's saying. If you play one person plays three hands, many casinos will go find.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Oh, no, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's one rule we don't have up in our part of the country. Uh uh they they do at the Indian, the new Indian reservation casinos. They followed Vegas. But AC, if you play two hands, you don't have to double the table minimum. But that's why you want to do this at a nickel table. If you have to double the table minimum, then you're playing a dime. All you gotta do is increase increase your ratio. This guy has got to decide what betting system he wants to use. For the most part, I was using a a uh a 2-3-4, 2-3-4 negative progression, uh, and I was and I was betting big chips. I'd start at quarters and then I'd go to 50, keep the same progression, but go to 50, and then try to get to 100 before the game, before the game ended. And you want to move, one of the things that I learned, because we when we knew when we started, we didn't know there was a time limit. We just figured you could do this for the rest of the night. So we were going to gradually work up. One of the things I would do differently now is I'd go up the progression ladder a lot faster, knowing that there's a time limit and on the game. Uh some of the games, um, advantage betting worked out worked out better. That's that's the hardest part is for this guy to decide what betting system he wants to use, and all he can do is sort of experiment with what's going on and and see. This guy s strictly plays the first base system. Yeah.

unknown 30:55

During the last couple of days you've been playing with Edward B and third time. How did that work?

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Oh, I beat him. No, it it first base in this town, this, you know, this is a first base town. I'm at first, he's at third. He's heading off to break the dealer, okay. I don't think that Ed was trying to send me tens from over there, all right, but he was trying to to break the dealer, which means unconsciously he's going to be sending me tens, okay? He's also going to be using using up the low cards. He's gonna he Ed hits a lot. He's not a chicken hitter, you know. He hits a lot, almost regardless of what the dealer is showing, what the dealer's upcard is. He hits a lot. So that benefited me, you know, no question that that benefited me over there at first. And then of course I was hitting a lot too, and I think that that helped Ed. I I think that in in the games, we, you know, we came to come out of we we tended to come out about even. We're both playing for quarters. He was playing uh progressions, and sometimes he was advantage betting, and I was usually playing a 10 $10 low, fifty dollar high bet, and a quarter and single tens was usually what I was playing. And really, I think that with with that kind of money, I think in the long run I probably won a little bit more than than he did in most of the games, but it was only because I was betting more. But I would say in proportion to what we were betting, uh it was working out about the same.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Oh, is it advantageous that you play a team of mass?

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Oh, we play partners that way. That is our partner system, first and third. That's that's in your manual. And yes, it's highly advantageous. You'll find a lot of games where the clumping window is such that you won't win at both positions, okay? But we tend to play them anyway, and the person that's because usually if one le and usually it'll be the first base player when you're playing first and third, will be winning more games than the third base player, okay? Although I I'll tell you that that uh I only remember one game out of about eight where that happened here in Vegas, where I where I was actually winning the game and he was actually losing the game. And I remember one game where it went the other way, where he was actually winning the game and I was losing the game. So it doesn't happen that often on on six-deck blackjack, but what you do and what we did do, in fact, if I'm winning and he's struggling, he just threw me chips to play. And I played his chips over here, and vice versa. No, he sat right there, he'd play the hand and throw me chips, and throw me chips. And usually he threw fairly large ones. We we did get yelled at one time, really seriously yelled at by this dealer went wacko up in uh AC when we threw a chip across the table. I mean the guy went the guy went out of it. I don't know what he was thinking of, because we do it all the time in in AC. I think it just surprised him also there a chip flew by his eyes. Boom. Well yeah, that's what you that's what you do. Because it's usually you're usually creating each other's game here, you know. So just because one of you is is maybe losing a little bit isn't isn't sufficient reason to to to quit. You just want to take advantage of the one that's winning winning the most. He's gonna go to higher bets and and he's gonna lower bets. When you're playing partners, you can figure out ways to divvy up money after the fact in this sort of a case. Just just prearrange those kinds of things before the game. In other words, you might use a common bank roll, you know, and it's up to the it's up to this guy if he happens to be winning, it's up to him to increase the bet accordingly. And if he's losing, it's up to him to tame his bet accordingly, and then you just split the money at the at the end. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

The dealer to declare a check Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

When the dealer turns around and say, Check display when you bet a hundred dollars or more. They'll turn around to the pit boss and say, Check display. Black action, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

And what does it mean?

SPEAKER_01 36:12

It just checks. No, no, that isn't what it means. It just means you're betting a hundred dollars or more.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Oh, it's it's simply a call to your floor person.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Yeah, but they do it at a certain bet level. At a certain bet level. Well, it's probably just coincidence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

I noticed at the at Bourbon Street, they keep track of every single black chip in that casino. When when you're buying chips, you know, like if you buy a black chip, they got to telepit boss, they actually write it down. When and every time they give you a black chip, they have to write it down. And when you go to the cashier, they got a call, check those black chips that that they're paying out, you know, uh against their their list. That's a bourbon streak. Small, sm yeah, small operation. Just very, very careful. Blackjack is an opportunity situation, okay? It isn't y you can't talk in terms of that you're going to win a percentage of of what you of what you bet. It just doesn't work that way, okay? So the whole objective in in blackjack is to keep your losing games down to the smallest amount of money possible, okay? And that's why we're going to start out small. If it's going to be a losing game, we don't want to spend any money on it. See, you you might be seeing a good opportunity there, or you might be seeing what is camouflage as a good opportunity. Just just because that we go in and start playing black chips doesn't mean that we're going to win. If it's an ugly win, if it's an ugly game, we're just going to lose 20 times faster playing black chips and playing red. So we'll see, you know, it is the thing isn't about ego. You know, you can't let your ego get involved. A good player, a good player is going to bet the table minimum until he knows what's going on. There's just no reason not to. The the flashy player isn't going to bother with that. He's going to go right into the to the black chips and so on and so forth. But those kinds of players are are generally flashy uh rather than winners. They're generally flashy losers.

unknown 39:20

But you say you can get a bet you usually have a better signal selection at the higher state now.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Oh, yeah. No, I thought you meant why wouldn't we go into higher we higher chips at at nickel tables? And that's very, very true up in AC. Sometimes it might be a little bit true here. See, here you have you have the opportunity of good nickel games. All right, you have plenty of opportunity for good nickel games. We don't have any good. There is no such thing as a good nickel game in Atlantic City. When you if you're in a nickel game, it's always a seven-player game and it's always super clumped. And you've always you're always going to play with people that don't know how to play. You know? So we'll go up to the quarter games. Even in Atlantic City now, quarter games is is considered uh low stakes, blackjack. They don't consider high stakes till you get to to black games. But even in the there's not a lot of difference in Atlantic City between quarter games and nickel games during the summertime. In the winter time, there is. In the winter time, the quarter games are definitely going to be better. So you gotta go to the $100 games. Now many times I I'll go and I'll look at the crowding. If the casino's crowded, I won't even go to the floor at all. I'll go straight to the Bach Rat pits and play the $100 games. Because you're at less risk in those games than you are out in the quarter floor games. But I play the lowest stakes that I can find good games at. That's the way to look at it. You should do the same thing. Play the lowest stakes that you can find good games at. Because you know, I don't bet huge amounts of money. $5 game, you can bet $500. I seldom bet over $500. In a quarter game, you can bet $1,000. I've never bet over $1,000 saved once in my life. And that was only a $1,200 bet. Well, because I'm playing, it's just not necessary. Why put all that risk on one hand? You know, plod along with your your winnings. Now of course Harvey, he doesn't see it that way. He'll put out the $2,000 bets. But then, you know, Harvey has all the money in Florida. Yeah. Yeah, well I am trying to get to the table max, you know, that is the table max. And and l and AC. $500 in a five dollar game and a thousand dollars and a quarter game and twenty five hundred in in a in a hundred dollar game. Now in a hundred dollar game, you know, yeah, you're gonna shoot for that twenty that twenty-five hundred. Yeah.

unknown 41:57

But here with the table max is like five thousand.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah, yeah. I would have a hard time becoming acclimated to that. I noticed in the Baccarat game it's twenty dollar minimum, ten thousand dollar max, and everybody was playing it forty thousand dollars a hand except me who's playing for stupid twenty dollars. But never nevertheless if they didn't think it was to their advantage to increase the max, they wouldn't do it. Okay? They they don't do it to be for your benefit. They they do it for for their benefit. That's what they're look they're let's see. Um a twenty-five dollar bet is five five dollar bets. It's a percentage, you know, it's it's a percentage increase, a five to one percentage increase. But I mean if you're going to make like a fifty to one percentage increase, it it sort of takes out the whole advantage of even ever betting the low chip and working yourself up to that level. Now some people, you know, don't agree with that. I I happen to be the the you know the the plotter type player, you know, other people they want to get in there and get it over with real fast, you know, so they'll go in and they'll make those those big bets. I don't like to put myself in the in the position of possible large losses. I'll only make big bets on their money. I'll never make big bets on my money. Well, the only way you can make big bets on their money is to earn that that money up to the big bet. That's you know, making big bets on your money, that's gambling. You know, that's gambling. I don't really look at myself as a gambler. I look at myself still as an engineer. And I'm just never risking large amounts of of my money, you know. If you if you never risk large amounts of your money, you're never gonna lose a lot of money. And that's really the whole name of the game. Look at it this way. What would you guess that that your average bet size is? Just I just need to know what kind of stakes you play. Mm-hmm. Well, all right, let me put that a let me put it a different way. Let's say that you were a quarter player, a $25 green chip player. Okay. And now now you guys that are green chip players maybe can relate to this a lot more. Suppose the largest daily loss that you ever had in your life was three hundred dollars. How many of you would that help out? Just about everybody, right? Just about all you green chip players. Yeah, me too. Me too. And that's what it's all about, you know. You gotta look at it this way. Here's here's your wins, here's your losses. All you're trying to do is cut that off right there. Because at this point here, you haven't made any money. Once you cut that off, you've made a whole bunch of money. You didn't win anymore, you just lost less. You know, and that's really what it's all about. The winning games are going to take care of themselves. It's how you play the losing games that's important. It's how you handle your losses that's important. And and that's a good way to do it. Just don't bet your m your money. Just, you know, never make a big